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As some of you know, I have a Sheltie & she’s my first dog.

We take regular lessons (obedience, agility, stop chasing).

She chases objects with wheels, most distressingly vehicles, as well as flying birds, particularly if they’re in large flocks. The vehicles started at puberty. The birds started after some Canada Geese threatened my niece.

For those who have experience with this, what do you suggest? Please, if you’ve just read theory/not dealt with this, I’m hoping for more first hand help.

We’ve been getting ever closer to cars, but still aren’t at the sidewalk. I have done car fasts for weeks & months at a time. During non fasting times, if her front feet budge to chase, I make her sit. If she’s lost all control, I place her in a down. She’s small enough that I can slip one hand under each set of legs/back legs to gently but firmly accomplish this.

Her attention & self-control are impeccable in the absence of these triggers + other dogs (she’s overly eager to greet them - I don’t let her anymore; it was comparatively easy to fix), especially indoors.

She knows heel, sit, stand, down, through (for doors/elevators), stay, come, with me, follow, look, go out & a smattering of beginner agility commands, all of this on or off leash, though heeling outdoors off leash (fenced area) is relatively new. She is also excellent for grooming & handling (Thanks, Toy!).

She is a smart dog, but has a problem. I guess other people probably knew to nip this herding based behaviour in the bud. I tried but didn’t know how.

These training issues are an impediment. I would like to get her into therapy work with elderly people (she loves all people but old people are her favourites), but it’s impossible right now, because walkers, etc. have wheels. Similarly, I’m signed up for a human remains detection class without her (that’s the first step for everyone), but she’d need to behave at least on leash to join me at a team (dog + human) class.

Thank you & here are some recent pictures!
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She's beautiful :). You've done a great job with her.

I'd suggest seeing if you can borrow a walker and/or a wheel chair for a few days & see how she does with those wheels. Perhaps your local nursing home will have an extra one you can use for a few days. Explain why you want to borrow it. They love pet visits & may offer to help. She may see them differently than moving car wheels, as they don't generally move fast.
 

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@Mizzely I know she's worked a lot with Luke for certain triggers.
 

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She is so gorgeous.
My adopted dog long ago was a wippet / border Collie cross or or some kind of mix that included sight hound , he was built and looked like a shaggy wippet. He loved to run and very much looked like a Greyhound/wippet/sight hound when he was flying, he lived to run.
So he was a dog that wanted to chase cars. What I did , probably isn't ideal , but worked in my situation......I used a long horse lunge line , letting it be loose and dragging tho hanging onto it , I went to my apartment complex parking area and the little roads with speed bumps , and when my dog took off I jerked with all my might , which usually knocked him off his feet and turned and started walking the other way . Same for moving things he would want to take off at sprint after. I didn't use any commands or say anything. It fixed the behavior in a few days, pretty much the first day .
Sharing because you asked for fist hand experience. I'm certainly not a trainer. Understand if this has no appeal for you
 

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Reactivity is so tough!
Ill give a few things you can look into…

-Counter Conditioning
-LAT (Look at that) activity
-LIMA (Least Intrusive Minimally Aversive)

One of the biggest things to remember, is things like this are rooted in big emotions, whether fear, anger, or excitement. Asking our dogs for more things like sitting, laying down, heel etc can add to the emotion (especially if your dog wants to chase it). We want to try and make ourselves or something that we have, more interesting than the trigger. For me and Oreo, this is me giving him his favourite treats and toys when a trigger is around. His is based in fear so I’m specifically aiming for him to look at me when he feels nervous or unsafe.
The main thing we want to do, is to try and change the emotion connected to the triggers, and therefor change the outcome- aka counterconditioning.
I would also recommend you find a trainer to help with this, for reactivity you never want to use any punishment or negative methods- only positive. Find a R+ force free trainer for these sorts of issues.



Best of luck! :)
 
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Herding behaviors I'm sure would make things very hard! I don't have experience with that unfortunately. Luke's triggers are mostly other dogs and men, which are fairly easy to avoid or work through most of the time now.
 

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Thank you all for your replies!

I’m not on social media, NightOwls.

I’ll try to borrow a walker. I think maybe even getting rollerblades, wagons, etc. could help too. Great idea, Toy!

Pixiebeak, that, minus the knocking off balance, on a back clip harness is what our trainer initially tried. He’s had & titled herding dogs for 40+ years (Tervurens, GSDs, Collie). It’s a matter of safety, so I was game.

It was a set up each time with the cars driven containing two trainers. Amping gradually up to have the car stop, passenger jump out, use an air horn, run towards her & firmly say no all didn’t work. She stood her ground, smiled & tried to greet the person.

She was declared to be very brave (true, she took care of business with a bear recently), & I don’t want to change that, but I know of Shelties who have died chasing vehicles.

Spearmint, I’ve tried look at that & succulent treats. They don’t work. Our agility instructor says she has very high herding & prey drives. It could be raining cheese & bacon, & she’d still choose a car. Thank you for the suggestions!

I guess I’ll just continue slowly & steadily approaching the sidewalk. I love her can do attitude but I guess it comes at a cost.
 

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My mom had a Pomeranian that sadly was a car chaser and he did get hit because of it. So I'm glad you are thinking of her safety! It's hard for sure!
 

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Spearmint, I’ve tried look at that & succulent treats. They don’t work. Our agility instructor says she has very high herding & prey drives. It could be raining cheese & bacon, & she’d still choose a car. Thank you for the suggestions!
It doesn't have to be food, my dog isn't super motivated by food either, a dog or person is way more interesting than food.
You can try toys that mimic a car to an extent. Ball throwing, long lead with toy on the end and run it fast - or a flirt pole etc.
 
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